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If you drill the elevator tube, seal the wiring holes with silicone.
You guys have got me to considering the electric trim, although I like manual trim better - running wires is probably easier than running cable - I have to buy the cable, and adding a switch to my electric servo may cost about the same
?EdMO
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Me and the missus like to enjoy the .22 rifles....but have a real hard time getting .22LR. This has been going on for 3 years now. Nothing wrong with some target shooting competition....but cant even enjoy that. Last gun show in town sold out most all ammo by Saturday....anything in bulk was gone. Have heard that Wallyworld had .22 but you had to be there when the truck came in.....limit 3 boxes...of anything.
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If you are solo - why not strap a big tank in the right seat? - 170 lbs for a passenger equals almost 30 gallons of gas, and not worry about controls / CG.
When you get my age, you need a piss-tube installed for more than a 5 gallon trip!
EDMO
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Great story - and I sure don't want to take anything away from it - BUT, why don't my old eyes see the same exact number painted on the tail in the two photos? - everything else, including the damage, looks the same.
Could the bottom photo possibly have come from a movie?
EDMo
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TJay,I sure like how Ron flared out that leading edge here, when you do it that way, does that mean you have to fabric that wing tip, I have the drooped tips for mine not sure how that will go, I thought you fabric then install the wing tip. Then finish tape from the wing onto the tip edge covering the rivets. Any suggestions?
You can either blend your leading edge before it gets to the wingtip joint, or cut it square at that joint, and have the option to put the blended part on your tips. Either way will work.
My tips will attach to an aluminum angle riveted to the tip rib and using rivnuts and screws to make it removable.
EDMO
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Doug,
I cant say what model these are for - they could have come from Kitfox - I have tried them on my undercambered and they fit OK - they can be bent easily to fit the Riblett, but look, as molded, for the undercambered. Someone cut them to chord-length already. I think there was a Service Letter from Kitfox to put Hysol inside at the outer seam to strengthen them? I had the light standoffs for them, but think I sold them to an Avid builder - Donno if I have another pair - Kitfox still sells them, I think.
I think I already have an offer to buy them, but if he don't take them soon, you can buy them.
EDMO
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Hey Jeff,
I just realized that I forgot to send you the extra pushrods we talked about. I found them sitting here in the shop. I packaged them up, and have them ready for the mail man to pickup tomorrow. Keep an eye out for them in the next week or so. Sorry about that.
Luke D.
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I was looking at my flaperon control rods and thinking if I put rod ends on them like the kit fox 4s and later do and just unhook them when folding the wings I could get a much larger baggage area back there with a nice solid floor, that's a thought too. I guess I cold also just unhook the ones I got too. If you were to put a fuel cell back there you might have to do the same.
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Ed - If they are the KF Hoerner tips for models 4-7, I might be interested in buying them to replace the droop tips on my KF4. They were originally supplied split at the trailing edge specifically for the new Riblett airfoil, flexible yes but not easily fit to the under cambered KF 1-3 or Avid HH/STOL ribs without a bunch of added work. I tried on my Avid Mk-IV and said fuggitaboutit.
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Doug,
I have a set of Hoerner style tips - Donno if Kitfox or someone else sold them, but think they were from Kitfox - they don't look as heavy as your tips, and will bend to fit either the straight, Riblett, or Eppler Undercambered wings. I'm not going to use them, as Cessna 182 tips are longer and fit my extended wing chord. Mine will be removable.
I also have a set of used Kitfox droop tips for sale.
EDMO
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This shows how the fixed tips are finished on my Aerotrek. Fabric glued and taped directly to tip than painted.
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That looks like a 5-gal fuel jug. Steve Winder told me they fit damn near perfect in an Avid, and it sure looks like that's true from those photos. They can be found in different sizes and vent configurations and are made to dump fuel quick, I bought some from Summit Racing years ago after I got frustrated with the new spill-proof caps on poly gas containers. Another idea might be those Roto-Pac (sp?) poly fuel cells that attach to a mounting cradle that attaches to your ATV rack (or fuse tubing?).
PS - found a pic in my files on how one guy fabricated a large aluminum tank to sit in the baggage area, would personally be suspect of CG without a Sube upfront or a non-stretched Avid.
Edit to 'fix' spell check by iPad and add pic
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After some thought, I decided to fit a set of KF Hoerner style tips to my Avid+ for easy removal (these tips will not work with Avid or KF under cambered rib profiles). No extensive fairing or fancy transition needed for the extruded leading edge with this setup, it simply butts up against the tip which is shaped to match with a bit of superfil.
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This shows the way Avid non-removable tips are installed. While you can see the extruded pvc leading edge in the pic, Avid never included that in their build materials or instructions.
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I had thought of something similar when/if I do a longer cross country. My thought was to put it up front on the right side of my KF to lessen the aft CG effect.
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Thanks for the visual aids for the story!
I've been thinking about the crew and how they worked together to create the best enviroment they could, using what they had, to make the best possible outcome.
We had one really close call on the submarine I rode. Again, it was a group effort and quick rational thinking of the crew members isolated in the effected compartment that averted disaster. Of course the skipper getting us on the surface quickly and safely helped too
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this guy here has the 24 foot aerobat wings performance is amazing I would not be one bit afraid of it.
Thanks TJay that video was perfect! Looks like touchdown near 50mph which is right where I was hoping.
That is the Avid that I share a hangar with. It is a Model C Aerobat with a 582, c-box 3:1 with a 3 blade Warp Drive Prop. My Avid is the regular Speedwing with a 582 b-box 2.58:1 and a 2 blade GSC prop. We usually use around 500ft of runway taking off from grass and we could probably get it stopped in about the same distance. His cruise speed is a little better than mine but I am getting closer to matching him now. Cruise speed is around 100 mph IAS with a top speed of around 115 mph. We have both cross checked against GPS in 2 directions and our readings are pretty close to being correct. Touch down speed is around 50 mph after 65-70 on short final. My stall speed is 46 mph. Oh yeah and climb in mine with just me and 12 gallons or so of gas is roughly 1200-1400 fpm depending on outside temps.
If you have some tailwheel experience then landing a speedwing should not be much of an issue. We enjoy the higher cruise speeds and slightly more comfortable rough air handling.
Dan
Hi Dan that is the information I needed! Thanks for the reply. Curious what you've done to your plane for speed improvements to you plane?
Thanks
Bill
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Hi Bill,
Looks like you're getting nowhere fast with this question, maybe I can help. One of the first Avid owners in my area that I spoke to when I was researching kit planes waaaay back when, was a model C Aerobat builder. I posted a copy of an article about her build you may want to read, as I believe it included her performance #'s (link below). Coincidentally, I think the plane was listed for sale recently in the classifieds here which may provide you with a means to contact the owner. Best regards.
Doug
Thanks Doug that was very helpful.
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Maybe new Political category needed here
in Close Call's and dumb stunts
EDMO
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When I went thru Canada in '95, they let me have 5000 rounds of ammo - when I came back in 2007, the limit was 200 rounds - rules change like the weather!
EDMO