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…and make sure the bearings in the turtle deck are fitted properly.  Improper fitment there is more likely to induce flutter.

I think Kazoom also has a flap dump button on the stick so the pilot can get to within a foot or two of the ground then hit the dump button and the flaps come off without him having to reach for the flap handle.  Some type of electric release on them.  Isn't Kazoom the plane that Ed Doyle was flying at Valdez?  I know it has made an appearance there a few times... I also think it was the one that was featured in several news articles where Ed had fuel issues and stuffed it into a hell hole on a beach surrounded by HUGE piles of drift wood.. and only folded a gear leg that had broken a few days prior and had a hasty field repair done to it so they could fly it in the competition.

Edit, yep, did a little digging, here is where he broke the gear the first time, and you can see the flap dump... that lead to the plop down, that folded the gear leg.... sumbitch ifn he didn't get it in short though!  they had a 9-12 MPH head wind blowing that day.

And the news article showing the Valdez win... then the crash... The gear folded twice in a week, but look at the mine field he set if down in on that beach!!!

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/aircraft-wins-valdez-competition-then-becomes-another-alaska-plane-crash?page=0,0

It is a tight fit under each other Ed.

What are your views on the new S-20. I think my Avid might have a hanger buddy!

Slats vs VGs:   Check out the comparison articles in Kitplanes or Sport Aviation about the Zenith 701 or 750 with slats or with VGs.

EDMO

Please keep us posted on the slats vs. VG's. I have been doing a ton of thinking on this one.

Good news, well mostly. At least the big elephant in the room has been put in it's place.

Jim -

I realize you may not have found or gotten through all the thread topics in the Fat Avid forum yet. Link to Fat Avid forum here >> http://www.avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?/forum/27-fat-avids-avid-plus-and-airdale/

You might take a read through this thread, it explains why the Airdale Flyer mods for 1400 lb. MTOW are not directly applicable to the Avid+. Link here >> http://www.avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?/topic/264-m-t-o-w-modifications/

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@ MODS - how about moving all the 'after intro' posts here to a new 'banjoplayer's FatAvid' thread in the Fat Avid forum. TIA

Sioux201,

      below,to the right, where I am writing this, I see a black rectangle with "Post" in it - to the right of that is says "more reply options"

If you will write your post, then click on "more reply options", it will take your post to an advanced portion, where you can attach photos, documents, or whatever.   Or, if it is a private matter, you can click on, for example, the name, like C5E and it will take you to the message section, where you can click on "send them a message", and that also lets you attach photos, ect.

     Hope this helps.

EDMO

Jon,

     The UK did not like the strength of the rib ends that support the flaperons, therefore they made Kitfox add some .025 aluminum angles to each side of them to pass certain tests.   There should be a post about this somewhere in this site which shows the installation process.   Others have cracked or broken rib ends, and there are posts about how to repair them.  Maybe Leni "Akflyer" or Joey "C5E", Doug "DHolly" or someone can direct you to the proper posts for the info you need.  I do well to turn on the puter and type.

EDMO 

The counterweights supplied are fine.  They are not for completely balancing the flaperons, they are for flutter control.  Many guys originally flew without them (like the guys that did not put the wood fairings on the struts), but after an engineering evaluation by a boeing guy, it was determined that there could be flutter in certain instances.. hence the counterweights being required.  Dont loose any sleep about trying to get them perfectly balanced, just instal per manual and move on to the next step.

Hi folks, I'm building an Avid Model C kit that I picked up a few years ago and I've mounted a flaperon counterweight to the flaperon  just like it says in the manual, but instead of taking off some of the lead weight, I need even longer or heavier weights to balance the flaperons.  This is using the sawhorse method where the point of contact between the flaperon and level sawhorse surface  is way out by the leading edge of the flaperon.  When I set that up my flaperons don't balance with the weight hanging too low, they sit flat on the sawhorse and I'd have to add more weight to the counterweight to get the 1/4" gap on the trailing edge that is recommended.        If I hang the flaperon on the wing the flaperon hinges are too stiff to allow for balancing.   Wouldn't I need to balance the flaperon by balancing it on 2 knife edges that are on sawhorses but are directly in line with and under the flaperon spar?  If I do it that way I'm truly balancing the weight of the flaperon on it's pivot, and my guess is I'd have to remove about 1/2" of the lead weight.  Please help me out.   Thanks,   Mike

Akflyer, I'm not sure what a thread is but sounds OK to me.  How will I find this thread, will it be under the Avid Flyer General Hanger?

Jon

Wow. It isn't looking good for Brett. I need a cowl. Sure hope the Airdale cowl Ron Smith can make will work with the Fat Avid. He is checking with Jerry Mattison to see what light he can shed. There are two fronts for the mold and at the very lease I need to know which is intended for the 912 engine.

Chris

I think he is a member here, Joey or Leni can probably tell us if/when he has been logged on lately.  I doubt it.  I mentioned to him issues on the Yahoo board, to which he didn't show much interest in dealing with.

 

I don't know what process he is using to acquire the work he is doing.  It certainly isn't via the phone or email…  

Brett Joined here May 2011 and the last time he logged in here was Feb 1 2013.  He has not made a single post here.

:nochug:

C5

Float planes never have enough rudder/elevator

I'm forwarding pic and measurements of what I did to improve this problem to your e mail add

Do know to send to site

Secret ,I'm from Berlin conn 1938-40?just past the congregational church, take a right heading south,long hill for sledding and biking ! Small world!

I know of a very reasonable avid speed wing for-sale_call me/2529235145

Never leave home without a tape measure, paper and pen - I measured every plane that I thought might help me design mine.

I have rough dimensions for the Kitfox 4, if that would help you.  I made all of my tailfeathers larger than the earlier Foxes, and added the balance tips to each of them - not hard to weld on extensions to the old ones either.

EDMO

The Hoerner tips were tested and found to be more efficient at reducing drag when the trailing edge is more than 6 degrees farther out than the nose.

The Finch tips are supposed to be more efficient at shedding vortices if angled up a few degrees.  But they are eye-pokers!

The vertical winglets act to lengthen the wingspan and add to the aspect ratio, reducing drag.  

A more efficient winglet was tested which mimicked the end feathers of a bird's wing - I have photo, but no data on the design.

EDMO

Don't think it would take too much to rig up copy or similiar tooling - like Kitfox and others did - You could supply everything needed as a "Wildcat Flyer" or whatever you wanted to call it, and sell them to Avid customers who cant get them from Airdale.   I hate to see it go that way, but Brett has some problems, and that don't help those who need parts or want to build.

EDMO

He gave his location - Berlin, CT - I was in Berlin when they closed the wall in 61 - when did they move Berlin to CT?   I know that the London Bridge I walked across is now in Arizona - what is next?

EDMO

Guess we're back to the issue of where to put the VG's on the tips to disrupt the flow of the wingtip vortices then. I've seen the pictures on here, but does anyone know of where they are located?

I think he is a member here, Joey or Leni can probably tell us if/when he has been logged on lately.  I doubt it.  I mentioned to him issues on the Yahoo board, to which he didn't show much interest in dealing with.

I don't know what process he is using to acquire the work he is doing.  It certainly isn't via the phone or email…  

My buddy has the round "Avid" or "Cub" style tips on his hybrid.  (He prefers the look of it.)  My plane is faster, but there is little if any difference in takeoff or climb.

With the speed and power to weight profile of these planes, I seriously doubt weather there will be any more than a marginal difference.

I emailed him several times asking to aquire the business so we could get it back up and running. He emailed me back about a month ago stating that he has no interest in selling any part of the company. I find this very sad as he is single handedly killing the brand.