tbucket

I enjoy reading all of the post on here I have not been posting a lot but I would like to make a comment I look on  youtube for videos on Avids and kitfox it does me good to see the videos there.It helps me get back to working on mine this site is has a lot of good people on it and good advice. Are there any way to post videos to help promote this site? maybe some fly-ins, videos of the people that has their airplanes built. As a Builder I sometimes need something to get me motivated I work by myself  and it can get over whelming so we all need some encouragement to get our projects in the air.Are there anyone building or flying around Brooksville Florida?

thanks Bob 

I don't know Bret but sometimes when a personal tragedy comes it will affect you for a long time I know because of experience.It took me a couple of years to recover from it. so give him some space to get his feet back on the ground  I am not asking for pity for me... just give him some space and help him to get back on track

thanks Bob

by the way ak how is your adapter coming along I still interested in the arctic cat engines.....

me thinks your kinda screwed....

not a problem..... I have always enjoyed building hot rods.... some of my builds was 23 tbucket with a small block chevy,tunnel ram with 2 4's then I changed the small block out to a 91 tpi motor I used the ecm and reprogrammed the chip had a lot of fun with the tbucket built camaros and a vega with a 350 small block and a 4 speed built some custom bikes, so don't care to jump in and ck the water out ,,,,

can you post some pictures of the engine

yes I can I have some pictures from the web but my engine is the same the engine will los some weight by changing the exh and intake all comments are appreciated good or bad

thanks Bob 

If I remember, that motor doesn't have a water pump, but uses water pressure from

the jet unit???

that is true it does not have a water pump it looks like the rotary valve shalt on the 587 does not have the extra length to mount the impeller on I am thinking that a 582,583. shaft will fit...... 

I was looking at maybe using it on the avid I know that the engine crank is threaded I am thinking that all of the parts from a 582,583, will interchange I got the complete motor for $150.00 it is a prov 8 case with a starter and flywheel on it which makes it attractive for me using a c box the engine is built with low compression [app 6 to 1] to run on regular gas I will change the head and pistons/cylinders  to bring the compression up n stock form with 1 carb the engine is 56 hp at 5,750 rpm and with the dual carb setup 61 hp the carb that is on the engine [stock] is a BN-38-24 [series 38-24mm] so I don't think I am to far off the mark for the 65 hp that the 582 is at.any info and comments is greatly appreciated

thanks Bob

Can someone point  me in the right direction? I have a 1989 rotax 587 engine that I want to do some changes on I am wanting to change the rotary valve cover out and use a the dual carb setup like the 582 I am pretty sure that this will work but I need someone to verify this or tell me no it won't work 

Thanks Bob

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I looked at the snowmobile motors and did a lot of research on the Arctic cat engines I liked what i seen on them the engines are produced by Suzuki the engine that I was looking at was the zr600  with the efi setup I know that they had problems with the stator on the engine that I was looking at 98 and 99 model the problem that with that motor was there was no battery in the sled every thing was ran off the stator  so I did more research and got the wiring diagram for the 99 sled and saw how they got the power from the stator I am sure that I could probley change the wiring around and power the efi and everything from a battery  and just use the  lighting part of the stator to charge the battery I am a member of the arctic forum and have ask about the ecms I  know that the efi setup that is on the 2 strokes are a speed density setup meaning they work off a preset fuel table  I like this setup the problem that I seen was the high cost of the ecms I can not believe what the dealer wants for the ecms it is almost a throw away sled if it is very old because of the price of the ecm I have not given up on the arctic cat setup I could probley convert this engine to efi by using the setup from the arctic cat it would not be that hard to do my background has been in aviation until I was 45 years old then changed professions and worked in electronic repair for 10 years and then self employed 8 years .boy I am getting old quick.....lol by the way thinks for the reply I will go over to the rotory forum and ask there

thanks Bob

I have 30 hours with instructors in cubs and Kitfoxes and they all say I need more lessons before I get a sign off, in fact I can't get them to do a Bi annual until then. My 582 is almost back together and the Avid will be ready for inspection after I get a set of tires anyhow, I am thinking a set of those Blimp tires but that gives me about another year to get in the air legally. 

 I have heard about these horror story's before it is not only where you live but it is all over I don't have my private but threw the years I have flown with other pilots and took lessons from an instructor  I have not flown at the controls for a few years I have a nesmith cougar [tailwind] that is ready to fly and  I can't find anyone that can fly it..It has  40 hours on it and from the logbooks it flew very well I am rebuilding an avid so I can fly I am sure that I can find someone in the chapter that can get me through the pilot part with this airplane I have heard that some of the instructors around here will take their time before they will sign you off but sometimes I think that they are a little too picky. years ago when I was taking lessons I was with this one instructor,he was a good instructor and flew acrobatics and was quiet good at it but one day after a few hours of training we were turning on a point I though that I was doing good but he got after me pretty good because the tree I was lined up on was not the tree he wanted me to line up and then when we would come in for a landing he would always want me to land on the numbers and I had enough and said to him I am not interested in landing on the numbers all I want to do is know that I can land this airplane I can always crash on the numbers.....at that time in my life I wanted to be sure I could get the plane on the ground without crashing. The landing on the numbers would come later when I had the confidence I could land.......

Bob 

[i used a spare mod 90 case]

I don't think I am going to have much trouble or too much cost involved with this engine I did not find anybody that is using the engine that I picked I have done a lot searching about this engine and comparing parts for different rotax engines the engine that I bought was a 1989 sea doo [rotax] 587 engine it is a provision 8 case it has the starter on the engine with a flywheel it is the yellow motor that is in the sea doo jetskis I have cked the horse power of the engine is  56 horsepower@ 5,750 rpm in stock form [1 carb and 5.9 compression] the mads that I have researched is a different rotary valve shaft from a 582,583,617 rotax because the the 587 has no impeller for the water pump a different head to bring the compresion up and for the water outlet ad different rotor valve cover for the 2 carbs and maybe the crank from a 582 or a 583 I know this sounds like a lot of work but I think it will be worth it I will have a new engine with a electric starter that is mounted to the block and the coils and everything is mounted inside the cover I bought this engine from an individual that his son wrecked the sea doo  for $150.00 it is a complete motor nothing missing..... so I think I can spend a little money and come out ahead..... what do you think?

Bob

Thanks akflyerbob for the reply did you have to do anything to the case like milling the front surface so the gearbox fits flat? I have never owned a c box before so i don't know what it looks like on the mounting end. you mention that you have done this  on a   original type 90 case did you have any drawings for this that I could look at? by the way I just saw where you are located is it cold and snow  there today?

thanks Bob

I know that someone has done this so I won't ask if someone has done this so I will ask this question

about what is involved in this. The case is a prov 8 case the holes is already drilled but not taped are there any more to do to the case other than drill the holes for the correct size and tap them to fit a rotax c box to it? do you have to do anything to the crank [a standard 582 crank]

thanks Bob

Me thinks you got lost in the conversation somehow   you get into the Budweiser again lastnight???  hahahaha

 

The "girl" referred to on "RW" was the person in the link that was posted to the rotary wing forum who put the Arctic cat 600 in the gyro...  But I dont think its a girl over there...

 

lol..... great since of humor.... can't love with out it.....

Everything on the engine and EFI is batteryless.  I have not heard lately how the machine work is coming, but I will drop him a line today.

 

 

 

 

thanks....

Bob

[i am using the stock ECM and CCU.  We worked with the cat factory a few years ago and got the fuel map dialed in for our clean fuel etc. so it has been re-flashed and the map really is spot on]

 

thanks for the reply.... very good info. I don't have a lot of experience with.2 strokes so this is good for me to know I had looked at the latter model engine and thought that it was a better engine. does this engine power the fuel injection from the stator coils or are they powered from a battery?

how are you coming along on adapting the gearbox on?

thanks Bob

Bob / Tbucket - I know what Leni is talking about - But have no clue about what you are writing about - Are you sending that to another ED?

EDMO

I was talking about a guy on the rotary wing forum that had put an arctic cat  engine on her gyro and used a rotax b gearbox on it I think Leni is doing basically the same thing putting a rotax c gearbox on a latter arctic cat 800 engine I am considering doing this but with the earlier arctic cat zr 600 engine sorry for the confusion I am interested in the adapter plate that he is having made and what ecm {engine control unit for the fuel injection} he is using by the way how are you doing today?

akflyer what ecm are you using on your 800?

thanks Bob

doesn't the Happi conversions

they did make a conversion that used a tapered prop flange but I don't know if they are still in business i found some pictures of the conversion that I posted I am not sure about the box she used looks like a b box  looks like she split the gear box in half and drilled 4 mounting holes to mount to the engine  and then installed the pinion gear to the shaft with a bolt I am not familiar with these types of setups

correction on the arctic cat 500 it is an1998 arctic cat zr 600 efi engine here is the link for this

http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33990

thanks Bob

Ed, I got a picture a couple days ago of the almost completed adapter plate for the 800. As soon as Dave completes that and gets the fly wheel machined, I can start the engine mount and exhaust mods.

akflyer

what engine are you talking about I might have ask this before.....I don't remember.... I have been looking at the Arctic cat engines.they have a Suzuki engine that they came out about 2010 I believe it  is a cf 800 ho engine the later engines has 2 plugs per cylinder it is fuel injected with an ecu the engine looks real promising if I was to use this engine I would have to go the route that you are doing making an adapter plate  and dealing with taper on the crankshaft but I believe that it would be worth it because  the engine is still in production and you can get parts for it.There is a guy on the gyro site that is using a arctic cat 500 on her gyro and it seems pretty impressive the engine she is using has a smaller crankshaft I believe it is a 30 mm taper similar to the rotax sized crankshaft are you keeping notes on what you are doing to fit the gearbox up?

thanks Bob

Funny how one email caused such a stir........

that is for sure.....

Does anyone know what the engines with the electronic fuel injection use to control the injectors? I am more interested in the controller and if it is like the obd2 ecm/pcm  in the cars 96 and up there is a bluetooth adapter that will plug into the obd2 port of the pcm and it will show you what your engine is doing on a android tablet do a search for a program called torque for android

thanks Bob

I saw the post about Herman and I don't know Herman but I am sure that he got hacked..... I have been hacked 2 times in the past few years and I have an account on yahoo the last time I got hacked it was someone in china that got me. one way you can tell you have been hacked is go to your email contact list and insert a new contact like aaaaa@yahoo.com and make sure that it is the first contact in the list when someone hacks your email account it will start with the aaaaa@yahoo.com email of course this is not a valid email address so it will be returned as not delivered to your email so when you see this you will know that you have been hacked.......

Bob

I am interested to on the conversion do  you have any info posted on the conversion?

thanks Bob