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  1. Posted

    one of the problems were that those motors were modified after their second or third overhaul one of them was a 80hp the one on the rans im really not sure on which that one more than likely was owner error all of these guys are just not interested in sharing there stories which I found odd but these gentlemen were maintaining their planes themselves which could be a big part of it but it just has left me worried im sure It would be fine but I just worry about it when thinking about buying a used motor. Especially if I decide to buy a used 912 for what ever I decided to build or buy I also would love to know if any of you are in eastern ND or western MN id love take a ride in one since I've only sat in a kitfox 2 

  2. Posted

    Hey Ljones

    I have not heard of any 912 fitted with a big bore kit "blow" up.....  Can you please give more info about you having watched 3 blow up!!!!!!!!!

    where, what aircraft, Hrs run, which model 912 etc....

     

    a few guys I knew with rv-12 in California sent their motors to zipper big bore who specializes in modifying rotax motors and after about 100 hours they either threw a piston had one blow a hole in his block and a friend of mine who had it on his Rans had a connecting rod snap in half 

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    Without major airframe modifications, you will not put a Lycoming, any model Lycoming in a model 3 Kitfox.

    The 233 is a $30k+ motor.  You could buy 2 or 3 Rotax 912 engines for the cost of the 233.

    what major airframe modifications would have to be done I was planning on building mine with a bigger rudder full bush gear, adding vortex generators and a few other things but only thing I saw that would be an issue is firewall, engine mounts, snd of course building s custom cowling but I don't want the round cowling anyway so id really love to know what id be in for, also I have found ten 233 for 14k so far so im not to worried about the price I just don't trust the rotax on everything I would want to do with it 

     

    I would expect for that airframe to have any chance of getting close to balance, some type of fuselage extension will be mandatory.  Something akin to the 18" stretch which is done to the Avids.  Increasing the size of the elevator and rudder alone won't cut it.  For the weight and torque of the Lycoming engine, more gusseting and reinforcement of the forward fuselage should be considered, also.  All this will add considerable empty weight to an airframe with a 950 or 1050 gross weight.

    I'd love to see a link to a $14k Lycoming O233.  This is a brand new engine for Lycoming, with only a handful of them being installed to date.  A (much heavier) O235 may be had for $14k or the orphaned O290, but I have never seen a used O233 for sale, much less one for $14k.

    http://www.paramotoraviation.com/products.php?product=Lycoming-IO%2d233%2dLSA-Aircraft-Engine theres your brand new 233 for 13,500

    start adding on all the accessories to make it run.  by the time you add the carb, exhaust, mags, baffling etc your going to double the 13k easily.  You cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear.  If you hang that on the nose of an early model you will have a giant paper weight.  The useful load will mean the pilot has to be a circus midget.  By the time you get a 7 in the air you could have bought 2 180s that would kick the crap out of the 7 every way from sunday. 

    It is 100% about your mission profile.  If you are happy flying a pig from airport to airport to airport solo it might make you happy.  If you want STOL your going to be pissed off with it.

    :BC:

     

    well thank you for your input but bottom line is I have watched 3 rotax 912 blow up after putting a big bore kit  and I need at least 120hp for everything I need to do 

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    Without major airframe modifications, you will not put a Lycoming, any model Lycoming in a model 3 Kitfox.

    The 233 is a $30k+ motor.  You could buy 2 or 3 Rotax 912 engines for the cost of the 233.

    what major airframe modifications would have to be done I was planning on building mine with a bigger rudder full bush gear, adding vortex generators and a few other things but only thing I saw that would be an issue is firewall, engine mounts, snd of course building s custom cowling but I don't want the round cowling anyway so id really love to know what id be in for, also I have found ten 233 for 14k so far so im not to worried about the price I just don't trust the rotax on everything I would want to do with it 

     

    I would expect for that airframe to have any chance of getting close to balance, some type of fuselage extension will be mandatory.  Something akin to the 18" stretch which is done to the Avids.  Increasing the size of the elevator and rudder alone won't cut it.  For the weight and torque of the Lycoming engine, more gusseting and reinforcement of the forward fuselage should be considered, also.  All this will add considerable empty weight to an airframe with a 950 or 1050 gross weight.

    I'd love to see a link to a $14k Lycoming O233.  This is a brand new engine for Lycoming, with only a handful of them being installed to date.  A (much heavier) O235 may be had for $14k or the orphaned O290, but I have never seen a used O233 for sale, much less one for $14k.

    http://www.paramotoraviation.com/products.php?product=Lycoming-IO%2d233%2dLSA-Aircraft-Engine theres your brand new 233 for 13,500

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    It's not my airplane, just an add that popped up on barnstromers.  The HKS is 60 HP.  They are supposed to be a real good engine according to those that have them.  I know of a guy here in Mn that has an HKS in his Kitfox 3.  He can cruise at about 80.  There is a guy who used to frequent this site, and he had one on his C model Avid.  He liked it, and flew the plane a lot.  Here is a link to his videos on utube.  JImChuk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSi8-fbxmJ8
     

    oh ok thank you though for posting it I might just buy a used 2 or 3 at this point fly that till I can save up for the s7 sti kit and just build that out with the 233 since that motor was designed for it  but this two you send me the link on seems really interesting and id probably be pretty happy with it until I fly with my Buddys that have citabrias then will want 100hp haha 

  6. Posted · Edited by ljones7533

    Here you go, Kitfox 2 with 4 stroke engine.  JImChuk

    $16,900 • AVAILABLE • Selling my wifes Kitfox. Model 2, recovered in 2012, new wing tanks installed (ethanol resistant) at this time. Hks 700e also installed at this time. Great engine, gets off in about 300 feet solo and burns 2-3 gph, can fly all day on the 14 gallons on board. 498 hrs tte. Just had a fresh annual in July and is flying regularly. Has bush gear, matco brakes, almost new Ivo prop. Flaperon hanger braces installed when recovered. Great plane ready to go, fly it home. • Contact James O. Kopf, Owner - located Honeoye Falls, NY USA • Telephone: 5854781625 • Posted October 1, 2018 • Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser • Recommend This Ad to a Friend • Email Advertiser • Save to Watchlist • Report This Ad • View Larger Pictures

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    PS   thought I posted this an hour ago, but I must have not hit the send button.

    that is absolutely a beautiful two what kinda hp are you getting out of that hks 700 im just kinda curious also what is its cruise speed as well as stall speed 

  7. Posted

    Without major airframe modifications, you will not put a Lycoming, any model Lycoming in a model 3 Kitfox.

    The 233 is a $30k+ motor.  You could buy 2 or 3 Rotax 912 engines for the cost of the 233.

    what major airframe modifications would have to be done I was planning on building mine with a bigger rudder full bush gear, adding vortex generators and a few other things but only thing I saw that would be an issue is firewall, engine mounts, snd of course building s custom cowling but I don't want the round cowling anyway so id really love to know what id be in for, also I have found ten 233 for 14k so far so im not to worried about the price I just don't trust the rotax on everything I would want to do with it 

  8. Posted

    Get a PA20/22.  They can be had far cheaper than a Continental or Lyco-saurus powered Avid/Kitfox.

    the problem is a pacer won't fit in my garage when I have the plane in ND instead of CA

    Well if it's a detached garage, or even an attached garage with the proper rear wall, put a green house or bay window in it. Might buy you 1-2 extra feet.

    it is a detached garage and its only a single car port with no wiggle room to build it bigger

  9. Posted · Edited by ljones7533

    and I found the motor to do a 130hp Kitfox with the lycoming !!! lycoming makes a 233 which is only about 60lb different and is designed for LSA this might be my ticket its only making 116hp but I know a few tricks to build them up to get some more 

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    thank you guys I honestly think it can be done I know that the rotax 912 is 100hp and its a hundred pounds lighter than the lycoming but apparently the Kitfox 7's you can order the kit with a continental titan io340 which between 120 and 150 pounds more I also have heard of some one putting a continental on a 5 but I was unsure if I could do what I wanted with a 3 with that o-235 since I have one waiting to be rebuild and im just looking for the right project for it but that avid does look very appealing I've just never heard much about them where Kitfox I have some close friends who have build a few thank you for all your input though I really appreciate it. 

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    You can't normally use the words 'cheap' and 'aircraft' in the same sentence.  I admit that the older Avid's and Kitfoxes are within reason of a average person but even they aren't cheap by no means. Yea, compared to a Carbon Cub, they are less expensive, but a decent 2 seat semi-bush plane for 20K or a tad less is getting hard to find anymore. They are good for most back country strips and with the right equipment can handle a little rougher strips with the right pilot.

    and I understand that I've grown up in aviation and I understand cheap and aviation don't belong in the same sentence but im really try to stay at or just under 20K I don't are about the panel or the paint I really am looking for more for a flying project than anything else simple is better to me

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    Get a PA20/22.  They can be had far cheaper than a Continental or Lyco-saurus powered Avid/Kitfox.

    the problem is a pacer won't fit in my garage when I have the plane in ND instead of CA

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    heres the thing I want a kit fox it fits all my need but I really want one with a lycoming or continental I trust them more than any other I really want 130hp but im trying to keep it as cheap as I can 

     

  14. Posted

    does someone have the link to that avid then also if I were to go with the fox 3 what would be the biggest motor non rotax on it and not have to do anything to insane?

     

    2 stroke or 4 stroke?

    preferably 4 and I don't care if it only takes av gas

     

  15. Posted

    does someone have the link to that avid then also if I were to go with the fox 3 what would be the biggest motor non rotax on it and not have to do anything to insane?

     

  16. Posted

    That airframe was never design for that much weight FWF.  You are talking some significant mods to make it work. I do not believe a round cowl would cover that engine without major altercations also. Take it from a guy who has spent a lot of time trying to turn an airplane into something it is not......look for another model. 

    Not sure what your budget look like but there is a real nice Avid Magnum kit with Floats on Barnstormers for 15k. I've seen several Magnum's with the Lyc engine. 

    Just my two cents 

    Good Luck

    :BC:

    my only problem with the avid is I really want folding wings I need it to be under 23ft length with the wings folded it fit in my garage for when its in ND over the summers 

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    sorry meant to say o-235 but I have big fingers and a small keyboard haha 

     

     

  18. Posted

    so I am new and am looking to buy a kit fox and I like the price point of where the 3's are the only thing Is I would want a 0-125 lycoming on it this is where my question comes in can you fit a lycoming in the round cowling and or is it possible to take the new 7 cowling or a 5 safari cowling and modify it to fit on a 3 with a lycoming or do I need to look for a newer model to get that motor on it?