winglift

Sorry, Pal.  You started the bad vibe by attacking Doug, probably the most knowledgeable member who was trying to help you.  That was enough to put you on my shit list.

Bye.  Come back when you can't stay so long.

I suggest you do a lot of high speed taxi testing on the airplane to determine it's stability.

Then sell the wreckage and get back into mud bogging.

 

First and last post.

I suggest you do a lot of high speed taxi testing on the airplane to determine it's stability.

Then sell the wreckage and get back into mud bogging.

 

First and last post.

Ok back to the plane, Am I right is the front of the rear spar cut out or is it just a shadow that I am seeing, 

Ok back to the plane, Am I right is the front of the rear spar cut out or is it just a shadow that I am seeing, 

I am sure that all of you are very knowledgeable, after all this is a forum for the Avid Flyer. I said from the beginning that I am new to this and therefore need to ask basic questions and most of you have been helpful in that regard. I have to start somewhere guys and thought that this forum would provide a source for the information that I need to make the right decisions concerning this airplane, but surly we can be respectful in what we say to each other. I know that this is not an RC plane. I would always welcome questions from those that I was teaching no matter how basic and not consider it spoon feeding, but a process. We all can benefit from learning from each other and we can also try to be respectful to each other and never call anyone names.

 

yes, we can all benefit, but shitting on a very helpful and respected member who is known as our resident historian and keeper of all things avid and kit fox is not a real great way to seek the information that you want.  we are all entitled to our opinions and if in your eyes you've said or done nothing wrong then so be it.  I am not sure most others see it through your eyes in this case.  we would be happy to have you stick around learn more and get your plane in the air.  I would be in your best interest to not ask a question then argue with the answers given.  this was a favorite thing for my soon to be ex wife to do.. and we are not married so my patience will be even less than it was with her

  

Well you do have the Ezesmooth 582 rotax motor mount.  That's good.  Also, I see by the pink color on the inside of the fabric that the plane was finished in poly fiber chemicals.  That pink is the poly brush coat.  The scoop with the hose on it was probably for a scoop that fit on the back side of one of the two radiators that would mount on either side of the prop for collecting warm air for cabin heat.  The radiators would be rubber mounted on the front holes of the motor mount.  The horizontal stabilizer was held on with AN3 bolts (3/16") diameter bolts.  Not sure why the allen head bolt is there either.  Not sure what the verticle tube is that you show inside the back of the fuselage.  The extra white piece bolted onto the rudder horn so the chain would line up better with the tail wheel is not a factory part, nor in my opinion is needed.  I think it would flex and bend around and not give as positive steering on the tail wheel.  Nice windows for the doors.  They aren't cheap.  Lots of Subaru engines have used a 3 blade warp drive prop.  Maybe that was what it was for.  Like I said, they aren't cheap, so if it's new or in good shape, it's worth some $.  Take care.  JImChuk

Yes I believe you are right on that being a piece of all thread for a battery.  I didn't make the connection myself till you mentioned it.  As far as parts go, I just got off the phone with Ken's widow.  He was the guy in Indiana that had the wrecked Avid that I mentioned last night.  It seems he passed away several years ago, and all his stuff is sold.  He seemed like a nice guy the times I talked to him.  Kind of put a damper on my morning.... JImChuk

The threaded rod looks like a battery hold down.

I have some info about a guy named Ken something or another that was in Indiana that had a crashed Avid MK IV.  Can't remember what all was messed up, but he might be a source of parts that might be nearby.  I will try to dig through my stuff and see if I can find his contact info.  Maybe I'll call him if I find it as well.  I've talked to him several times.   In addition, I will try to be helpful in any way I can.  Maybe if we start with the biggest parts that are missing.  You mentioned the flaperons, the flaperons on the Kitfox model 1 to 3 use the same flaperons.  That expands the field of available parts considerably.  Are the tailfeathers all there?  Windshield missing is not a big deal, a sheet of 4'x4'x.060" lexan is what was used and cut to fit.  I didn't see doors in any of your pictures, new ones can be built, TJay just built a set last week or so for his Kitfox 1 project.  I actually have a set for a C model that will probably fit also.  Do you have a motor mount?  I didn't see it in the pictures.  If you need one, try to find the later model ezesmooth  motor mount.  It does a better job of getting rid of the 2 stroke high pitched vibrations.  They are around, I have an old style mount that is for a C model as well, but you are better off with the newer type.  Looks like the joysticks and mixer controls behind the seat that run the flaperons are there, as well as the rudder pedals.  All that is good.  Very nice landing gear, I would trade you for the factory bungee gear in a heartbeat!   ;-)  You have a good start on things, maybe plan on rewiring the panel, maybe redo the panel also while you're doing the rebuild.  I'm redoing mine right now, I used a piece of aluminum with a 90 degree bend on the bottom.  The top will bolt to the glareshield to keep the top in place.  That prop is a nice prop, looks like a new one.  They are worth some money.  A lighter one or a two blade would be better for the gearbox you have however.  I have basically the same engine and gearbox on a Kitfox 1 and I've been running a 2 blade warp 70" and have also used a 68" three blade IVO on it.  The warp performs better than the IVO.  Not as smooth though.  Well I better quit before I write a book, I just wanted to take the time to give some constructive comments.  And also to mention that I'm sure Doug didn't mean to be insulting.  So much of communication on the internet is being lost when we can't see the expression on their face, or the tone of their voice, and just have the words to go by.  Anyway, I'll look for Ken's # and see if you can figure out what else you are missing.  Feel free to ask questions.  We really do want to help!  JImChuk

Winglift,  Lets hope this plane was finished with Polytone, because you need to strip some fabric from the area where that allen bolt is located, and look for damage with possibility of re-welding, and Polytone is easy to repair.   You can learn about repairing fabric later on.  Then from front to back, start looking for bent, damaged, or rusted parts to fix or replace.  Then you can follow the build manual to install parts and discover if you have parts missing.  In the meanwhile, I would put an ad  for Avid Flaperons Wanted on our FOR SALE section, and start looking for them on Barnstormers.   Hope this helps.  EDMO

Winglift,

I hate to see you and Doug get off to a bad start - He is one of the most informed and helpful builders on this site - and I agree with what he has tried to tell you, although you seem to be offended by it for some reason.  I think everyone on this site has been helped by Doug at some time.  Maybe if you let things cool for a while, then you can better understand that he is trying to help you.

My 2c worth.  EDMO

 

Winglift,

I hate to see you and Doug get off to a bad start - He is one of the most informed and helpful builders on this site - and I agree with what he has tried to tell you, although you seem to be offended by it for some reason.  I think everyone on this site has been helped by Doug at some time.  Maybe if you let things cool for a while, then you can better understand that he is trying to help you.

My 2c worth.  EDMO

It is pretty simple EDMO. Read his red lined comments and see for yourself. He may be informed, but I can do without his insults. I don't have time for people like him.

 

First thing first, welcome and I hope you find your Avid rebuild fun and educating.

IMHO, best way to learn about these little planes is to put in the wrench time. Obviously, we can't do that for you, but there are plenty of nice folks here with a vast amount of knowledge willing to help you along the way. Hopefully, you can find some local support.

It does seem to me like you may have put the cart just a bit ahead of the horse here, you really need to familiarize yourself with the kit components and build manual ASAP. Search here onsite and explore the forums, those and much more are available to you here.

I suggest you begin today with that huge P.I.T.A. kit builders rite of passage more fondly called a piece-by-piece inventory check. To get started, compare your pile of parts to the Mk-4 factory pull sheets HERE.

Keep us posted!

That is all good and great, but hardly the case here. I never asked for anyone here to do the work for me and getting the information that I need before doing the work is hardly putting the cart before the horse. I have already inventoried all that I have. If I were to start putting this together before knowing what I am doing then that would be putting the cart before the horse. This is an already built plane and may have either missing or damaged parts.

 

Like the others, I do not mean to come off either as negative OR critical, but I am confused by your comments. Your very first post said:

• "I recently purchased a Avid Flyer project and need some help to determine what I need to complete it. [Are you referring to parts or construction or both?] First of all I have never built or owned my own plane before, let alone an Avid Flyer. It is probably a heavy hauler, mark IV. [Well, I guess you kinda, maybe know what you bought, but there is also a huge difference between an 'already built plane' and 'previously built plane' which may be in some state of disassembly.] It has a new Rotax 582 engine with gear reduction and electric starter. It is missing the flaperons, which were removed by the seller, not the owner. [So it sounds like you purchased thru a third party who you suspect absconded with some parts, do you have a detailed purchase agreement from either that supports this?] I live in southern Indiana and was wondering if there might be someone who would be able to help me determine what I need to complete it. [I took this to mean parts, but then, if you've already done adequate research and completed an inventory you would already know, right?] I have no building experience other than the classes at Oshkosh and I have built and flown RC planes for decades. Any help would be appreciated. [Well, I tried.]"

Just so you are not confused by my comments, when I said cart before the horse, I was not referring to getting the info you need before starting the work, that Sir is a given. I think the time to do the research and get all your info together is before you hand over your cash, not only to confirm what you actually need vs. will get, but also to determine if it is honestly within your capabilities to complete. But, hey, that's just me and YMMV.

Best of luck with your project.

First thing first, welcome and I hope you find your Avid rebuild fun and educating.

IMHO, best way to learn about these little planes is to put in the wrench time. Obviously, we can't do that for you, but there are plenty of nice folks here with a vast amount of knowledge willing to help you along the way. Hopefully, you can find some local support.

It does seem to me like you may have put the cart just a bit ahead of the horse here, you really need to familiarize yourself with the kit components and build manual ASAP. Search here onsite and explore the forums, those and much more are available to you here.

I suggest you begin today with that huge P.I.T.A. kit builders rite of passage more fondly called a piece-by-piece inventory check. To get started, compare your pile of parts to the Mk-4 factory pull sheets HERE.

Keep us posted!

That is all good and great, but hardly the case here. I never asked for anyone here to do the work for me and getting the information that I need before doing the work is hardly putting the cart before the horse. I have already inventoried all that I have. If I were to start putting this together before knowing what I am doing then that would be putting the cart before the horse. This is an already built plane and may have either missing or damaged parts.

 

Like the others, I do not mean to come off either as negative OR critical, but I am confused by your comments. Your very first post said:

• "I recently purchased a Avid Flyer project and need some help to determine what I need to complete it. [Are you referring to parts or construction or both?] First of all I have never built or owned my own plane before, let alone an Avid Flyer. It is probably a heavy hauler, mark IV. [Well, I guess you kinda, maybe know what you bought, but there is also a huge difference between an 'already built plane' and 'previously built plane' which may be in some state of disassembly.] It has a new Rotax 582 engine with gear reduction and electric starter. It is missing the flaperons, which were removed by the seller, not the owner. [So it sounds like you purchased thru a third party who you suspect absconded with some parts, do you have a detailed purchase agreement from either that supports this?] I live in southern Indiana and was wondering if there might be someone who would be able to help me determine what I need to complete it. [I took this to mean parts, but then, if you've already done adequate research and completed an inventory you would already know, right?] I have no building experience other than the classes at Oshkosh and I have built and flown RC planes for decades. Any help would be appreciated. [Well, I tried.]"

Just so you are not confused by my comments, when I said cart before the horse, I was not referring to getting the info you need before starting the work, that Sir is a given. I think the time to do the research and get all your info together is before you hand over your cash, not only to confirm what you actually need vs. will get, but also to determine if it is honestly within your capabilities to complete. But, hey, that's just me and YMMV.

Best of luck with your project.

First thing first, welcome and I hope you find your Avid rebuild fun and educating.

IMHO, best way to learn about these little planes is to put in the wrench time. Obviously, we can't do that for you, but there are plenty of nice folks here with a vast amount of knowledge willing to help you along the way. Hopefully, you can find some local support.

It does seem to me like you may have put the cart just a bit ahead of the horse here, you really need to familiarize yourself with the kit components and build manual ASAP. Search here onsite and explore the forums, those and much more are available to you here.

I suggest you begin today with that huge P.I.T.A. kit builders rite of passage more fondly called a piece-by-piece inventory check. To get started, compare your pile of parts to the Mk-4 factory pull sheets HERE.

Keep us posted!

That is all good and great, but hardly the case here. I never asked for anyone here to do the work for me and getting the information that I need before doing the work is hardly putting the cart before the horse. I have already inventoried all that I have. If I were to start putting this together before knowing what I am doing then that would be putting the cart before the horse. This is an already built plane and may have either missing or damaged parts.

 

Like the others, I do not mean to come off either as negative OR critical, but I am confused by your comments. Your very first post said:

• "I recently purchased a Avid Flyer project and need some help to determine what I need to complete it. [Are you referring to parts or construction or both?] First of all I have never built or owned my own plane before, let alone an Avid Flyer. It is probably a heavy hauler, mark IV. [Well, I guess you kinda, maybe know what you bought, but there is also a huge difference between an 'already built plane' and 'previously built plane' which may be in some state of disassembly.] It has a new Rotax 582 engine with gear reduction and electric starter. It is missing the flaperons, which were removed by the seller, not the owner. [So it sounds like you purchased thru a third party who you suspect absconded with some parts, do you have a detailed purchase agreement from either that supports this?] I live in southern Indiana and was wondering if there might be someone who would be able to help me determine what I need to complete it. [I took this to mean parts, but then, if you've already done adequate research and completed an inventory you would already know, right?] I have no building experience other than the classes at Oshkosh and I have built and flown RC planes for decades. Any help would be appreciated. [Well, I tried.]"

Just so you are not confused by my comments, when I said cart before the horse, I was not referring to getting the info you need before starting the work, that Sir is a given. I think the time to do the research and get all your info together is before you hand over your cash, not only to confirm what you actually need vs. will get, but also to determine if it is honestly within your capabilities to complete. But, hey, that's just me and YMMV.

Best of luck with your project.

First thing first, welcome and I hope you find your Avid rebuild fun and educating.

IMHO, best way to learn about these little planes is to put in the wrench time. Obviously, we can't do that for you, but there are plenty of nice folks here with a vast amount of knowledge willing to help you along the way. Hopefully, you can find some local support.

It does seem to me like you may have put the cart just a bit ahead of the horse here, you really need to familiarize yourself with the kit components and build manual ASAP. Search here onsite and explore the forums, those and much more are available to you here.

I suggest you begin today with that huge P.I.T.A. kit builders rite of passage more fondly called a piece-by-piece inventory check. To get started, compare your pile of parts to the Mk-4 factory pull sheets HERE.

Keep us posted!

Find out if the owner listed the plane as "salvage" for the FAA.  If so, then it is no longer a plane - just a pile of parts.   I cant understand why someone would disassemble everything and still sell you all the parts - that is so unnecessary, since the EAA has a kick-ass liability statement that you can use to sell a registered, airworthy plane you have built.  Guess this was done to avoid any builder's liability plus whatever the seller clipped out of the deal.  The one bright side of all of this is, once you have it built you will know everything about your plane.   EDMO